That’s just not true. The morality of the two events are comparable in their result, regardless of the rationale.

“’s LIBERALS who regularly fight to help the needy from BIRTH until DEATH, while CONSERVATIVES are constantly fighting against those liberals on any number of fronts, often choosing instead to be champions of the rich and the powerful, who are never content with the wealth and power they have already accumulated by always want more.”

I completely disagree. Liberals, in the PAST THIRTY YEARS, have an abysmal record of respecting life. Name one piece of legislation passed in the past thirty years that respects and honors the dignity of life.

And you’re statements about conservatives wanting more power are complete rhetoric. You’ve nothing to substantiate that claim and I can conversely use the same argument. In addition, it has nothing to do with the argument that the morality of the unnecessary deaths of millions of children is equated to the holocaust.

Women have no right to destroy the living being in their body any more than Hitler and his cronies had a right to slaughter millions of ethnic Europeans. Any clergy that can claim that right denies the presence of a living human being in the belly of a woman. If that’s your stance, then we worship a different God.

And what I tried to point out is that the motives and thinking of those who perpetrated the Jewish Holocaust was totally UNLIKE the motives and thinking of those who support the choice of abortion, and much MORE SIMILAR to the motives and thinking of the conservative Christians who now call themselves “pro-life”. The Nazis, too, opposed abortion and could have claimed as you do to be “pro-life”. But they proved that being in favor of protecting the life of the UNBORN has little if anything to do with protecting the life of the BORN. To the contrary, it’s LIBERALS who regularly fight to help the needy from BIRTH until DEATH, while CONSERVATIVES are constantly fighting against those liberals on any number of fronts, often choosing instead to be champions of the rich and the powerful, who are never content with the wealth and power they have already accumulated by always want more.

See why clergy who are Liberals like Christ like myself defend the rights of BORN women to choose abortion,
at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ChristianChoice/

I agree with some of what you’re saying, but you’re missing the point of my post, which is probably my fault for not illustrating it clearly.

I’m not comparing Obama and his politics to Hitler, nor am I comparing liberals to Hitler. Furthermore, I’m not even comparing liberals to conservatives.

I’m comparing the assault on human life in the form of legal abortion to the ACTS of Hitler and the Nazi party in the form of their holocaust of millions of ethnic Europeans.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler, (a conservative Roman Catholic like Adolf Hitler, Josef Goebbels & Reinhard Heydrich) who was so instrumental in conducting the mass-murder of Jews wrote to Field-Marshal Wilhelm Keitel the following in 1939:
“According to statistics there are 600,000 abortions a year in Germany. The fact that these happen among the best German racial types has been worrying me for years. The way I see it we cannot afford to lose these young people, hundreds and thousands of them. The aim of protecting this German blood is of the highest priority. If we manage to stop these abortions we will be able to have 200 more German regiments every year on the march. Another 500,000 or 600,000 people could produce millions of marks for the economy. The strength of these soldiers and workers will build the greater Germany. This is why I founded Lebensborn in 1936. It fights abortions in a positive way. Every woman can have her child in peace and quiet and devote her life to the betterment of the race.”

“The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. (As I show at JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/NaziLeadership.html
, the vast majority of the Nazi leadership were Roman Catholics). We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press-in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during recent years.”

“As a Christian I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows…
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, (today he might surely say, “when I see all these babies killed in their mothers’ wombs”) then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.” Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 46

“The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built up. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as the basis of national life.”

We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of most of the German people. We hope to develop friendly relations with the Holy See” ( addressed the Reichstag on March 23, 1933)

“The Government of the Reich regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation.”

“The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933,

“The Church’s interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.”

“If there is a God, then he gives us not only life but also consciousness and awareness. If I live my life according to my God-given insights, then I cannot go wrong, and even if I do, I know I have acted in good faith.” “I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of a natural law framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.”
“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people.”
See more at JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/Hitlersfaith.html
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Here is another discussion taking place about it.

“Vatican Goes YouTube – A Digital “95 Theses” Expected?”

I linked to your post over at Catholic Tech Tips

Craigslist can be a good tool for law enforcement to use to catch these evil people who are committing these horrible crimes.

I’m even okay with law enforcement using peer-to-peer software to catch people illegally downloading music, movies, software, ect. As long as they are using the peer-to-peer software to do it. I’m not okay with them getting some kind of court order to make the company give up the names and isp’s of all of their users. Now if the company wants to voluntarily give up certain user information in certain cases then that should be up to that company.

I just get a little uncomfortable when the government tries to regulate things. Like when they try to make drug store owners sell the morning after pill. If the store owner is against a particular product, he should not be forced to sell certain items.

It works both ways.

In the end, if law enforcement officials were to have used it as a way to catch criminals, then it’s plausible to believe that people would stop using the service for those purposes.

Thanks for the insight!

Did crushing Napster really make it more difficult for people to download music? The Internet isn’t exactly small.

What’s next? We legalize it so we can keep watch?

No, no, that’s not what I’m suggesting at all. Craigslist should be protected by Section 230 of the CDA — the safe harbours provision. Craigslist isn’t liable for the actions of its users in the same way that Ford shouldn’t be guilty if someone uses a Taurus as a getaway car. Rather, the guilty party — the user commiting a felony — should be the one who’s responsible.

I’m not suggesting that prostitution should be legal. But this is the digital equivalent of just pushing crime into the back alleys rather than punishing people for it.

(1) Craigslist wasn’t doing anything illegal, and (2) it happened to make it easy to spot people who were doing something illegal. Why not monitor places like Craigslist where dumb criminals advertise their illegal behaviour so that they can be punished for it? Rather than just pushing the illegal activity a bit more out of the public eye.

The progressives tried to do talk radio with Air America, but it failed (they ran out of money). Conservative talk radio is funded by advertisers and as long as people keep tuning in, they will not go away. Unless of course the government tries to ban freedom of speech, which is highly unlikely.

The difference between conservative talk radio and the mainstream media, is that conservative radio doesn’t deny it is conservative, whereas the mainstream media tries to claim they aren’t bias in any way. Now who’s being fair?

Great quote by Jordan Sparks. Was she responding to something Russel Brand said?

And then Sully was pretending to scare kids in a bunk bed like this.

In the matter of Mr. Meyers, he has lost: the university has taken the link off of their site. They have recognized his folly and have acted accordingly.

I consider the matter closed.

Read, for example, Deuteronomy 7:1-5 (RSV):
Deut.7

[1] “When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir’gashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per’izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb’usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves,

[2] and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
[3] You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.
[4] For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.
[5] But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Ashe’rim, and burn their graven images with fire.
[6]
“For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.

The intentional desecration of any person, group, or religion is WRONG.

Lets debate to topic. If you have an analogy, fine but be sure it follows the rules and is not being used simply to cloud of confuse the issue. In this case religious respect.

Bob

The only point of my letter that was incorrect was that the blog was operated by the university. In that case, assuming that the University distances itself from his opinion (in the form of disclaimer on the website, or the removal of the link), then I would not call for any of the items I mentioned in my letter. The apology would be called for if he was making the blog post under the auspices of the Univeristy. He doesn’t need to apologize to me for not understanding nor believing in the Catholic faith. Also, I did not call for the UCF student’s expulsion, The Catholic League did.

I have no problems with people expressing their opinions as Mr. Myers did. I find his opinion to be crude and not befitting his position as a professor. I have the right to disagree with him, and with you apparently, on the validity of the Eucharist as the real presence of God.

And you are correct. Just because I believe it, doesn’t make it so in the same way that just because YOU don’t believe in it, doesn’t it make it NOT so.

As for Christians not being like Christ. Yes, none of us are. He was perfect. If Ghandi expects perfection then perhaps he ought to have worshiped himself. I don’t think he would have done so. There are many people who do not follow every tenet of their faith. Is that a condemnation of the faith? Or perhaps a condemnation of all faiths?

If you truly believe so, then I believe you are expecting the impossible.

What other things that you believe to be true are also incorrect?

Perhaps that when a priest mumbles some latin words over an ordinary cracker, that the cracker then transubstantiates itself into the physical flesh of Jesus?

If you want to believe in such 10th century magic, that is your right. If disrespect of it offends you, be offended. But, just because you believe in it, doesn’t make it so.

But your being offended does not justify the calls for the expusion of the UCF student, nor the call for censure of Myers, and certainly not the death threats that both have received from “good Christians”.

In this instance, the Catholics, like Donohue, who refer to this as “vile” and a “hate crime”, are as foolish as the muslims who insisted that the Danish newspaper be shut down for printing improper images of thier prophet.

No apology is required from Myers simply because you perceive his statements to be blasphemous and sacriligious, just as the Danish newspaper did not need to apologize for running the cartoon.

As Ghandi once said – “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Why can’t your Christians be more like your Christ?”

In Mr. Meyer’s case, the hurt IS THE INTENTION.

They may realize that Hindus would be offended, but they have a fundamental difference in the belief of that that cow represents. There is no malicious intent to the Hindu community.

That’s not the case here with Mr. Myers. He intends to do harm to Catholics simply for the sake of offense, which is what we find offensive.

Indeed, if we started prohibiting desecration equally
for all religioins, you would probably be in violation
of someone’s religion right now.

Otherwise, you will be back to a social paradigm where
you try to impose religious uniformity of a dominant
religion, and that is what the U.S. tried to avoid.

One day you may have a Muslim majority in some
areas (you already do, in fact), and Muslims will have their own rules of desecration imposed on Catholics. What would you do then? We already have this with people being killed
for cartoons of Muhammad.

No single religion can impose its notion of desecration
on the rest of us. That protects us in practicing as
we deem fit. And an omnipotent God does not need you to protect his wafers.

Desecration is much different than consumption. We Catholics also consume the Eucharist. Do you think a Hindu would be offended if someone started tearing off the limbs of cows, defecating on them, and mocking the Hindu faith? Of course, and rightly so.

So good for you for sending the letter! Let’s pray

As for the blog, the link is available from University of Minnesota Morris pages. If they don’t approve of the content of externally linked pages, they should warn their audience about the contents of external links.

http://www.f3forums.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=895

Thanks